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| Title: | pondering ash log cross section hubs 3v & 2v | |
| Posted on: | 11/25/2008 11:36:31 AM | |
| Category | Construction Techniques and Tips | |
| Author | Wind | |
| Status | Open | |
| Views | 19827 | |
| Replies | (18) | |
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hi chaps.. i'm heavily into my third dome but am a little hung up on workable ideas for wooden hubs. i'd like the hubs to be made out of wood for the look & feel once you're inside. plus i have access to lots of ash struts & with this idea could use ash for the hubs as well. if you imagine you take a cross section of the tree, perhaps 5cm deep like this: 
& then they've gotta be? 30cm wide? if i was then the drill holes for the struts at the correct angles(?) is this sounding like a good idea? has anyone else heard of such disc hubs.. & if anyone could give me some tips on the angles & spacings of the holes that would be a godsend. i''m working on a 2v at the present time. Regards. Adam. |
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| posted by Colin | 25/11/2008 11:54:09 |
| Hi Adam It could work.You would have to take the diameter of hub into account for calculating the strut lengths. Depending on the diameter of the ash struts 5cm thick hubs may not be enough to accomodate the strut angles.The angles for a 2v are 16 and 18 degrees which need to be drilled into the edge of the flat hub. | |
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| posted by Wind | 25/11/2008 12:36:39 |
| sounds like there might be a better approach? :) | |
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| posted by colin | 25/11/2008 15:09:17 |
Here`s a graphic of the hub angles for Adam and anyone interested building a 2v hub and strut dome.
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| posted by admin | 25/11/2008 19:43:04 |
| Hi Wind, Rather than use an ash disk for the hubs have you considered turning an ash ball then drilling the holes. I think a ball would be less likely to split (as you have more wood) and would look pretty cool. | |
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| posted by Wind | 26/11/2008 10:15:26 |
| wow thanks for the idea. i would love to do that it sounds amazing.. i'll have to look into it - i've never done something similar before but i am loving the sound of it!! | |
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| posted by Wind | 26/11/2008 10:16:39 |
| & also, thank you colin. the diagram is just what i needed to know. | |
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| posted by Wind | 26/11/2008 17:59:32 |
| hi, admin, do you have any info or resources to share on how to go about turning these ash balls? i wonder how many you could get out of a tree.. any idea of what kind of radius we'd be looking at? i'm eager to make this happen & i think this could be the breakthrough i've been searching for | |
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| posted by colin | 27/11/2008 12:41:18 |
| The radius would have to be sufficient to accomodate the strut diameter at the smallest radial spacing, 58 degrees in the case of a 2v. If the ash struts are an inch in diameter the spherical hub needs to be 6.25 - 6.5 inch in diameter to be safe. The struts would be embedded by about 2 inches. | |
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| posted by colin | 27/11/2008 12:59:36 |
| I came across this step by step for turning wooden spheres which may be of interest(replace the x with h) Xttp://woodensphere.robhoppe.com/ | |
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| posted by admin | 03/12/2008 01:07:51 |
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Sorry for the late reply wind, had a touch of man flue. Anyway had time to ponder this problem and this is my best effort. Spin up half spheres on the lathe and cut a grove and angle like the diagram below. You would need to turn all the spars ends with a small ball to lock into the hub though. No angles to worry about and all the turning are the same so you could have them copy turned.  |
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| posted by Wind | 10/12/2008 14:21:52 |
| *i cant share my linked image because of the changes to the forum regarding attaching images to replies!!* ~> can you help admin?? I've got a design knocked up from another forum.. You can see that they are cut out of 250mm dia circles (10"), 100mm deep (4"), with faces sloped back to allow for the angle between adjacent pentagons/ hexagons. this would be laminated out of 25mm thick pieces, with the grain direction turned 22.5 degrees each layer (ie half of half a turn). good waterproof glue would be used, and clamped up well. Bolts may even be used through the corners after that. as experienced dome builders ~ is this a sound design? if i make several of these & get well formed hexagons / pentagons, are there any possible complications when it comes to assembling the entire dome? Many Thanks again for your time! Adam | |
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| posted by Wind | 29/12/2008 16:04:26 |
| admin? | |
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| posted by admin | 31/12/2008 22:35:28 |
| Sorry about that Adam, I'm working on a fix for uploading pictures. You can still upload, if you paste the code into the contact form I'll add it manually... seeing a picture would make it easier to grasp. | |
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| posted by Sarah | 03/04/2009 21:04:00 |
| Photo? I'm curious if anyone has the contact information of the person who took that cross-section photo? I'm interested in paying to use it in a printed piece. Please email sarahm@glowacharris.com if you know! | |
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| posted by Ivan | 10/01/2010 03:53:38 |
| Does anyone have the hub angles for 3v and possibly 4v just like the 2v example in this thread? Thanks. | |
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| posted by popitch | 04/04/2011 11:45:30 |
| You can see hub angles here: acidome.ru/lab/calc/ | |
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